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RE: Tricolor gum print ( was Gum vs. Kallitype)



Judy,

I use Daniel Smith's ivory black.  It clears fine, but one problem I have
with ALL of the ivory black I've got from him is that it has a "lumpy"
consistency - it needs PLENTY of mixing to get an even solution.

While we're on the subject: the other day you mentioned using Sumi ink.  I
couldn't find the green bottle, so I got what I could, but haven't tried it
yet.  Two questions for you:

1.  Why the green bottle?  What kind of problems should I expect if I can't
find it?
2.  What should I use as a start. i.e., if I use "x" amount of ivory black,
what amount of sumi ink?

Thanks,

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Seigel [mailto:jseigel@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 2:05 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Tricolor gum print ( was Gum vs. Kallitype)




On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Andre Fuhrmann wrote:

> >Thanks!  The scan IS a little dark, but I think much of that "velvet" is
in
> >the print.  I used Payne's gray, Burnt Sienna, Raw Sienna, and Ivory
Black.
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> I tried looking at you print but it wouldn't load -- pity.  Anyway, I
think
> Judy meant Real Tricolor, i.e. yellow, magenta and cyan.  The cyan
> component is just off the range of any earthly approximation. -- Andre

Yes, thanks Andre -- I meant tricolor as in CMY or RGB... but anyway the
fella is putting us on -- he names 4 colors. That's quadricolor !

Some printers do RGB with other than the classic thalo, quinacridone &
yellow paints... & I have some thoughts about that, tho at present I find
the differences of order, strength, repeats and brushing out of areas more
than enough & just pray for control (or let's call it gifts)... Sometimes
I do add an area of actual earth color, but that's supposed to be a
refinement.

This incidentally is at present all from one monochrome neg -- "fake"
tricolor.

PS. to Keith: what brand ivory black are you using?  I'm still trying to
find one will work for me...

Judy