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Re: New home for list needed-a Case for Google/Yahoo
 
 Thanks, Don....
On Nov 11, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Don Bryant wrote:
 Keith,
 I’ve created a Yahoo group as an alternative to the current list  
just in
 case the list goes down unexpectedly.
 
 Here are the pertinent addresses in case anyone desires to take  
advantage of
 this Yahoo group.
 
 Post message: alternative_photography@yahoogroups.com
 Subscribe: alternative_photography-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
 Unsubscribe: alternative_photography-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
 List owner: alternative_photography-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
 Just to be clear: This isn't an attempt to hijack the list, just an
 alternative if the current list goes down until another solution is
 discovered.
 
 Best regards to everyone,
 
 Don Bryant
 
 
 
 
 ________________________________________
 From: Keith Gerling [mailto:keith.gerling@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:46 PM
 To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
 Subject: Re: New home for list needed—a Case for Google/Yahoo
 
 Mark, if it that easy, I suggest you go start a Google group and  
announce
 the how-to-join stuff here.  I bet we can have a group up and  
running by the
 end of the day.  You can deal with the list-minder stuff later...
 
 Keith
 2009/11/11 ender100 <ender100@aol.com>
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 There has been some good discussion regarding moving the list.  I  
appreciate
 the kind offers from various folks to host the list, but I would  
like to
 make a case and propose a simple model for moving the list to  
either Yahoo
 Groups or Google Groups.  I think either of these would work very  
well for
 the list and perhaps from what Loris has said, it sounds like  
Google Groups
 might have the edge in terms of features.
 
 1.  Google & Yahoo are both free.
 2.  Both offer a lot of features $BMQ (Perhaps Google has the edge  
here.
 Many people on the alt photo list have been asking for more  
features for
 years.
 3.  Large servers like Yahoo & Google are more reliable and not  
dependent on
 one individual with one computer and one host $BMU (Joo many links  
in the
 chain that can break.
 4.  The list could be started immediately on either.
 5.  You can have multiple "list minders"
 6.  You have easy security options that can eliminate spam.
 7.  You can temporarily deactivate a member if they are sending  
"out of
 office auto responses" when on vacation with their secretary.
 8.  You can remove someone from the list if they misbehave.
 9.  You can make it a private list so that:
 a: you can show nudes without being categorized as an  
"adult list"
 b: a private list lets you screen out spammers
 10.  You can temporarily deactivate a member if their computer gets  
hacked
 or gets a virus that causes them to send spam to the list.
 11.  You can have more than one list owner for redundancy.
 12.  I think the half-life of a group started on Yahoo or Google is  
likely
 to be greater than one started on a private server.
 
 I would suggest that we ask for 3 volunteers to start up the group  
as "list
 owners" and post the information for joining on this list so  
everyone can
 migrate over smoothly.
 
 By having three members, you could have an agreement that it requires
 approval  of two of the "list owners" to remove someone from the  
list.  Most
 of you remember situations in the past where this had to be done,  
though it
 has been a rare.
 
 If one of the three list minders wishes to retire or becomes unable to
 participate, that person can easily be replaced.
 
 By the way, how are we going to come to a consensus regarding what  
to do? I
 think there are 500-600 people subscribing to this list and only a  
handful
 have made suggestions.
 
 Just a thought.
 --
 Best Wishes,
 
 Mark Nelson
 Precision Digital Negatives
 (B (J (B (J
 PDNPrint (B (JForum @ Yahoo Groups
 Mark Nelson Photography
 
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